[Suggestion] Balance Electric furnace cost

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• 08 Dec, '21
  eZ I Dave Merged

  More gold ores need to be added ! I can find 3-4 in the first missions . With allot of items needing gold it needs to be balanced ! I can make a generator both nothing ells ! All caves are farmer! Hiden ones and open ones

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• 09 Dec, '21
  MSD Merged

  I believe a better option would be to reduce the amount of electronics needed for many T4 crafts.

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• 09 Dec, '21
  Elissa - Producer System Merged

  "More Gold Nodes" (suggested by Dillan Nichols on 2021-12-09), including upvotes (1) and comments (1), was merged into this suggestion.

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• 09 Dec, '21
  Spiller Merged

  Reduce the cost of gold for electronics. The randomness of the gold spawn and the large amount of gold needed to produce the workbenches and machinery necessary to build the radar and the exotic extractor make it impossible to finish the first extraction mission.
  Please don't merge with other topics marked as "Done" because is not a resolved issue.
  Fabricator - 60 electronics (120 gold ores)
  Material procesor - 80 electronics (160 gold ores)
  Electric Furnace - 60 electronics (120 gold ores)
  Biofuel generator - 12 electronics (24 gold ores)
  Radar - 10 electronics (20 gold ores)
  Extractor - 5 electronics (10 gold ores)
  Electricity tool - 16 gold ores
  Composite paste - 12 gold ores
  This are the cheapest required gold ONLY to craft the radar & extractor. No dehumidifier & other stuff.
  241 gold bars needed. Tried twice and have not been able to get more than ~160 gold bars in +25 caves explored (actually only 5 got 1 or 2 gold deposits) is making impossible to advance into the ne

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• 09 Dec, '21
  Skraeling Merged

  I have had the same problem. Need the gold to make a generator but out of all the caves on the playable area (14 in total) there was only 4 gold nodes which is not even enough gold to make the fabricator. 12hrs wasted on a mission that cannot be completed..........

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• 09 Dec, '21
  munt Merged

  Huh! weird, maybe the randomness of cave nodes needs to be reduced, I've sometimes found 3-4 gold veins in a single cave. You can also use the biofuel composter instead to save resources but I agree these are very high requirements and getting done-in by vein spawns probably shouldn't be a part of the randomness of play
  
  Edit: The generator for power, brain fart, yeah this is very expensive and hard to do!

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• 09 Dec, '21
  Hefty Merged

  Electronic prices are way to high, if we are meant to lose bases after every mission this is impossible.
  Just electronics for basic tier 4 is well over 2k copper.
  Maybe adjust the prices for actual missions and the endless missions separately?
  All the tier progression feels good except for tier 4.
  Is tier 4 only suppose to be for permanent missions where you dont leave and just build a mega base?
  
  Loving the game though!

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• 09 Dec, '21
  Whirlin Merged

  It took us about 15 hours with 6 people JUST hunting for mines, and raising their hands for a specifically dedicated miner spec to harvest out Gold for the first mission where we needed to tech up to have electricity. It was not an enjoyable experience. Something closer to at least 8:1 on Electronics Craft would make Tier 4 costs reasonable, like how nails are 10:1.

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• 09 Dec, '21
  MSD Merged

  Gold is very limited on Icarus. Since we can't pan for gold in the rivers, or use some kind of technological alchemy, we have a very finite amount of electronics we can build in any given expedition. 60 electronics for the Fabricator, 80 electronics for Material processor, 12 electronics for Biofuel generator, 30 electronics for a solar panel. These are some of the core items you need in Tier 4, and you're looking at 364 gold ingots, not counted the rest of what goes into crafting electronics. This is just to build the most basic of Tier 4 house items. Gold is rare. You WILL be running around to pretty much every cave on the map just to get the gold needed to complete some of the late game expeditions. The amount of electronics required for some of this stuff needs to be drastically reduced.
  
  This is a copy of one of the top reddit posts found here:
  
  https://old.reddit.com/r/SurviveIcarus/comments/rc74o1/most_tier_4_items_require_too_many_electronics/
  
  The post has 99% upvote r

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• 10 Dec, '21
  Tim Johnston Merged

  Agreed I’m on the prospect where you can just explore the first region in the bottom right of the map and I am 16 caves deep so far and have only found enough gold ore to make 17 ingots. Kinda ridiculous.

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• 10 Dec, '21
  Hevy Merged

  Currently on the mission to unlock the riverlands. I've scoured all but a handful of the smaller caves in the ENTIRE DESERT and I still don't have nearly enough gold for the basics of tier 4 machinery. Gold costs for electronics are truly absurd. I have found the game to be hugely enjoyable up until this point, getting up to tier 3 tech is fun and enjoyable to progress through. Tier 4 however is worse than tedious, it is straight up not fun as a solo player. Please do something about this.

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• 10 Dec, '21
  Jury Merged

  Me and my team still waiting fix gold in caves because we can't finish quest after 2 days real life time and explorer all caves in the map
  It kills the urge to play the game further

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• 10 Dec, '21
  Timbojones Merged

  It seems a little crazy the amount of mines you need to search in order to get enough gold to utilize T4 crafting. Lots of running... I feel skinnier already!

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• 10 Dec, '21
  Ninwah Merged

  would help devs if you provide what mission your stuck on. Also, use your metals wisely. if your crafting an entire metal mansion + weapons + tools yeah you're going to run out. We have not had a single issue with not having enough metal for a set of tools for the 6 of us, recurve bows, shot gun and rifle + benches etc.

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• 11 Dec, '21
  Engimage Merged

  It is fine that you need to progress through technology.
  But making you just grind insane amounts of the same is a very bad idea.
  Nothing in the game should cost more than 40 units of a single resource. And given you ask for the rarer resources this is just absurd imo.

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• 12 Dec, '21
  Rob Merged

  I would also wish for you to consider reducing the copper costs for electronics considering it's 3 bars for 1 unit

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• 12 Dec, '21
  Diatom Merged

  Seriously, after 6 or more hours farming IRL I only have enough to make the fabricator. I then realized I now need 80 electronics to make the material processor to get the bow. I've found more titanium than gold and copper. Icarus team has data on their side. How many people have actually crafted the tier 4 items on a mission? The quantity of components needed feels super grindy considering everything goes away with a new mission.

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• 12 Dec, '21
  Lister Merged

  Gold being incredibly scarce and Electronics needing 1 bar. In what world does a gold bar turn into 1 Electronic component. It makes my character feel incompetent.
  
  Like needing entire bars to craft 1 arrow. Is he just ramming a stick into a smelted bar and deciding that's a good use of resources.
  
  Crafting costs are just horribly optimised in this game. It stagnates the Tier 4 endgame with bloated resource costs.

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• 12 Dec, '21
  Danie Merged

  totally agree I don't mind grinding but this makes the mission not fun if you don't have high tech tier 4. I think it was intended that platinum also is use for electronics but is not in yet. Because it tells you it makes electronics but can't use it

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• 13 Dec, '21
  Elissa - Producer System Merged

  "Reduce electronics requirements for Tier 4" (suggested by MSD on 2021-12-09), including upvotes (81) and comments (5), was merged into this suggestion.

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• 13 Dec, '21
  Elissa - Producer System Merged

  "Electronics and Gold" (suggested by Lister on 2021-12-12), including upvotes (8) and comments (0), was merged into this suggestion.

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• 13 Dec, '21
  Steven Merged

  Yep Tier 4 stuff is basically impossible to make, electronics need to be less & gold needs to be more!

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• 14 Dec, '21
  cody rice Merged

  I seen the patch that decreased the amount of gold needed for electronics and more gold when mined but even with this buff the gold needed for tables to start making composites then to need gold ore to make the composites it is a large amount. oddly enough some of the harder missions are cut up in a way that there are not enough caves with enough spawned gold to make multiple sets or many of any items that need gold. Currently in a boss drop active in the river lands and have hit every cave in the parts of the zone I can access spent an entire day writing up a spread sheet making sure I covered as much area to hit all the caves I could find and not enough gold. Granted I may not need some of the fancy stuff to do this boss but really wanted to look at a lot of the higher items now that I am high enough level with enough blueprint points to spend. Not complaining about the large amount that is needed to farm but the lack of availability to actually be able to farm it out.

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• 15 Dec, '21
  Stormfury Merged

  Only the most dedicated will ever suffer through the tier 4 tech tree. It’s ridiculous. I thought exotic mining which is neat would be core to gameplay with random events or a tower defense like mini game. Shamefully most won’t even ever experience the radar and mining.

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• 15 Dec, '21
  Elissa - Producer System Merged

  "Pls fix the gold and other ores spawn" (suggested by Jury on 2021-12-10), including upvotes (7) and comments (1), was merged into this suggestion.

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• 15 Dec, '21
  ApexAZ Merged

  Gold drastically needs to be increased. It's ridiculous.

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• 15 Dec, '21
  kyle Merged

  Keep the current cost, but make it produce 5x electronics. the gold cost is a little silly when you need such and absurd amount of rare resources. i got the fabricator in 1 playthrough, then i quit the mission because i realized how much it cost to make anything (well i did make the flashlight) but it made tier 4 almost useless because it took me so long to just get there i had long past all of the mission objectives and depleted all of the mines i could reach in the mission. tier 3 is fun, T4 is 100% a grind and makes me want to not play the game any more.

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• 15 Dec, '21
  Engimage Merged

  Well I do not find it appropriate to be forced to farm the whole biome of caves to complete T4 stuff.
  Gold spawn was improved but it is still insane grind. You can do whatever you please farming 3-4 caves, but for electronics its more like whole biome at least.
  And imagine us not having the map of the caves - it would be completely rediculous.
  
  Just fix the Fabricator, Processor and Electric Furnace electronics costs - 60 and 80 are just out of control. I would say 30 and 40 respectively would look more sane to me, and more in line with other T4 stuff.

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• 16 Dec, '21
  Arlo Merged

  Copper demands for electronics is still to high. Please lower it like you did for gold.

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• 16 Dec, '21
  shin0bi272 Merged

  Looking at the requirements for things like the dehumidifier, material processor, and the fabricator it looks like they tacked on a zero to the number of electronics required to make them in order for them to be impossible to make during the beta. IMHO, it should not take 20 circuit/motherboards to make a dehumidifier. Two would make sense but 20??? that seems a bit much.

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• 16 Dec, '21
  Arlo Merged

  I agree.. 1 Gold, 1 Copper, and 100 Silicone would make about 100 electronics you would think.

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• 16 Dec, '21
  sam burris Merged

  i agree you need 6 copper ore to make one electronic that's 360 copper ore just to make the crafting bench that is insane

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• 16 Dec, '21
  Myeka Merged

  Agreed, need to drastically up the gold mine spawns or drastically lower the gold cost of electronics, this mission is no fun at all due to this issue.

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• 16 Dec, '21
  John Wilkerson Merged

  Figured I'd add another perspective here, most comments mention the difficulty in just finding enough gold, but I'd like to mention how demotivating it is to do it for the 5th or 6th time. Each time I get to fabricator, I think "Ok, bit of a hurdle but it'll be worth it for titanium tools" but once I've got a fabricator (which I feel is actually ok as is, especially after gold buff) unlocking composites is just so much more of the same thing I'm starting to become adverse to making electronics at all. In the last mission I finished, I tried to stage all the resources for composites, the 140 electronics for the materials processor and furnace, and it wouldn't all fit on the machining bench at once... I honestly feel like 20 for the processor and 30 for the furnace would make sense and if it needs to be more expensive add a requirement for some platinum or an intermediary that takes platinum? Platinum feels very underused right now and it is electrically conductive.

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• 16 Dec, '21
  Arlo Merged

  Also need to reduce Copper needed to make Electronics, and reduce the amount of Electronics needed to make equipment.

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• 16 Dec, '21
  ahmet Merged

  electronic production is very costly.

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• 17 Dec, '21
  Hebeach89 Merged

  I think there are a few good ways to address this issue.
  First we could make gold spawn more often, like as often as titanium, i always end up with shitloads of titanium.
  Second we could make gold a 1:1 ore to bar ratio, i think this would solve most of the issue on its own reducing the grind significantly.
  Third We could reduce the number of electronics required in t4. currently t3 has the benefit that epoxy has two recipes one of which is almost entirely renewable.
  fourth we could increase the number of electronics created, same recipe but s have it produce 2-3 instead of just one. This would also help balance out the grind .and help address the extreme copper costs. My group failed the avalanche expedition because one member of the expedition decided to spruce up the base with interior wood floors. we determined we would have to start hauling copper and gold back to base and it just killed the motivation.

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• 17 Dec, '21
  Solo Merged

  forget that... later on you have to make a material processor and radar and extractor. Give me a break indeed!!!!
  Thats way too much copper needed to create the electronics still. It should be 1 copper ingot!!!!!!

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• 17 Dec, '21
  cha Merged

  doing electronic takes too much ressources! i need milions of copper and gold, now, there is a little more gold, but my god!! sandbox : construction is really taking a shit ton of electronics!

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• 18 Dec, '21
  Robotto Merged

  A friend of mine and I spent like 2 days on a mission just for fun and decided to make composite armor. At the end of the third day we realized it was way too much of a grind and not worth our time (as well as maybe not even possible due to area constrictions).
  Our play time dropped a solid 50-90% due to this and honestly, it killed the game for us.
  But what is really absurd, is this is their idea of "fixed" or better prices.
  Too many roadblocks, too many restarts, too much pneumonia, not actually able to enjoy end game content in many missions due to lack of gold.
  Some workshop item pricing is out of alighnement, animal ai is silly, the only moderately-well populated area is the desert....
  
  Why are games designed with the goal of keeping people playing instead of making the game as enjoyable as possible?
  Why else is there no respec? Seems to me they want us to grind longer and not enjoy..
  Why else does pneumonia exist? 800-1000 ore mission, getting pneumonia every 30 sec.

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• 19 Dec, '21
  Poseidon Merged

  When you need to craft a Fabricator, Electric Furnace, Electric Generator, Extractor and Scanner, the amount of copper that you need for electronics is insane! Maybe make it at least 2 Copper per Electronic?

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• 20 Dec, '21
  Elissa - Producer System Merged

  "[Suggestion] Add more gold ore" (suggested by eZ I Dave on 2021-12-08), including upvotes (30) and comments (6), was merged into this suggestion.

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• 20 Dec, '21
  G2O Merged

  Stopped playing since in solo this is just undoable. I loved the game but the T4 is clearly a work in progress, half of the things are just too expensive (the copper/gold cost of electronics is insane). I won't travel 10km on the map for a few copper nodes....
  
  Had a nice 30 hours of gaming, but that's it for me.

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• 20 Dec, '21
  Flube Merged

  Gold, I have no issue with the gold, it is the copper, one prospect I dropped in, I have mined out all of the caves in bounds, not enough copper to complete the mission parameters of making the extractor and radar, this is mainly due to the amount of electronics needed to just make composites ( creation of the crafting benches and utility needed to make composites) have plenty of gold. I have noticed many ore nodes spawning inside unreachable areas like halfway merged into a wall, or behind invisible barriers that yo can not walk to or move closer even using ramps or floors.

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• 20 Dec, '21
  The Rogue Wolfe Merged

  Recipes below.
  
  Why does the electric furnace require 4x more concrete mix than a CONCRETE furnace when it's significantly smaller?
  
  Makes no sense at all. If anything, these item requirements would make sense flipped (electric requiring 20 and concrete requiring 80).
  
  
  Electric Furnace recipe:
  30 Steel Ingot
  4 Glass
  60 Electronics
  80 Concrete Mix (??)
  8 Steel Screws
  
  Concrete Furnace recipe:
  12 Iron Ingots
  8 Rope
  12 Epoxy
  20 Concrete Mix

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• 21 Dec, '21
  Mike Merged

  how is this marked as done? tier 4 is completely useless the cost of entry is way too high and reward too little to be worth the effort. The whole concept of this game is short, temporary excursions. Why waste several days building numerous machines and farm every cave on the map (if you're lucky to even have enough resources) just to get a few exotics when you can just go in, build nothing and farm 64 in sub 30 minutes.

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• 22 Dec, '21
  DZM Merged

  This too is NOT "ACHIEVED"... more nonsense.

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• 23 Dec, '21
  El Gigantor Merged

  Electronics has been the hiccup for us too when trying to make tier 4 items. If it's not the gold it's the copper. Full ingot of gold and 3 of copper for generic "electronics" is insane. Imagine how much a cellphone would cost if it took 20lbs of copper and 6 of gold to make it.

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• 23 Dec, '21
  hir Merged

  Nothing has been improved, but is it over?
  Did the developers really play the game and create the Tier 4 stuff?

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• 24 Dec, '21
  CerberusPanda Merged

  I don't even think the gold is the problem, I have more trouble getting the copper :(

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